30 Remington AR Magazine Considerations

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30 Remington AR Magazine Considerations

Postby Hoot » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:17 pm

The fact that 450 Bushmaster mags can and have been successfully used in the 30 Remington AR has been claimed for some time. Looking at the two side by side, the differences are very obvious. Truth be told, the 30 Remington AR specific magazine looks crazy but works great in the 450b as well. It actually cycles smoother than factory 450b or DIY 450b magazines in the 450b.

Here's some insights into whats critical about getting the 450b mags to function. Nothing! If you try to pull back the 30RAR bolt with a 450b mag in it, your experience will vary from no big deal, to a slight hitch as you pull the CH back, to it stops dead in the water about 1 inch back. It depends upon how tight your mag fits in the well and how high it rides. This is a game of about .050 clearance making all the difference in the world.

The 30RAR uses the larger AR10 type bolt modded to fit in a conventional AR15 carrier and an AR10 barrel extension modded to fit on an AR15 profiled barrel. The AR10, being more powerful, both of those components are larger, especially the bolt lugs. They hang down further than an AR15 bolt lugs. One of them catches on the front lip of the magazine follower. DPMS' solution was to bevel that portion of the follower edge, among other changes to facilitate operation in the 30RAR.

Here's a look at the bevel as implemented by DPMS:

Top View

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I tried to catch the light reflection to emphasize the bevel.

Side View

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Here's what happens when you use a factory 450b MAgazine in the 30RAR, unmodified:

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It looks worse than it is as the displaced portion of the edge is hanging in the picture. It is important to emphasize that the ding will vary depending upon how high your particular magazine rides.

Corrective action: None if you don't mind the ding, the bolt being steel, will win the battle after a few shots. You can however take a swipe on that corner with a file and problem solved.

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It has no affect on operation in the 450b.

Here's a rare, amateur video glimpse of the elusive Hoot'ster caught in the wilds of Minnesota:

https://youtu.be/3eDsB9WPn4I

OOPS! Darn brass catcher jammed it up!

Take 2: Minus the brass catcher

https://youtu.be/k18JrAaiG6s

That was only 5 rounds, but at a buck twenty five a shot, that's all you get. ;)

Did you notice the leaky gas block? Thanks DPMS. :roll:

So drop your floorplate, grab a file and enjoy the additional capacity and readily available supply.

Hoot's Tip: while you're in there snip off some of the overkill spring. You don't really need that much upward pressure. Might as well iron out those capacity limiting tabs while you're in there as well.

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Re: 30 Remington AR Magazine Considerations

Postby kklatt450 » Wed Apr 20, 2016 5:14 am

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Re: 30 Remington AR Magazine Considerations

Postby IceAxe » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:40 am

Nice work!

Ps My gas block leaked as well, since it was a bit over gassed (like its owner) I replaced it with an adjustable.
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Re: 30 Remington AR Magazine Considerations

Postby commander faschisto » Mon May 30, 2016 3:51 pm

Wife says my gas block leaks a lot, too, wants me to tighten it up, preferably outdoors.... :P

As another higher capacity alternative for the 30RAR: On another blog somewhere (forgot, now...) I've read that PRI 6.8SPC mags work, apparently unmodified, with their 30RAR rifles...I just ordered one 10-rounder to check this information out. PRI makes 6.8SPC mags in 10, 15, and 25-round sizes, running $35-$37, which is fairly reasonable. I'll post results as soon as I get the item. Could be veddy interesting for those wanting higher capacity mags.

http://www.precisionreflex.com/products.aspx?CAT=4212
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Re: 30 Remington AR Magazine Considerations

Postby commander faschisto » Tue May 31, 2016 11:04 pm

Related item: Just got a new B.F.I. (Bushy) 9-round SS .450b mag from Numrich and tried it in the 30RAR...works great! :D Don't have the PRI 6.8SPC mag in hand yet, but I'll let you know how it goes.

Here's the link to Numrich's web page (their search function is worse than useless..): http://www.gunpartscorp.com/ad/1436250.htm#1436250A
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Re: 30 Remington AR Magazine Considerations

Postby commander faschisto » Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:25 pm

Well...I just got the PRI 6.8SPC mag in today, and have to say that I am not impressed. It can indeed be made to work with the 30RAR, but it takes entirely too much fiddling around with the feed lips to make it worth the effort. It requires several alterations to function properly, and its just not worth it when the 450b mags work essentially unaltered. Oh well, live and learn. :(
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