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Muzzle Shims Report

PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:19 pm
by Hoot
A few days ago, Top_prop posted a link to a vendor selling muzzle timing shim sets for 11/16-24 threads like our 450b uses in a
different thread on this sub-forum. I ordered a set to check out and report on. They came 2 days after ordering them online!

They were packaged as advertised:

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The dimensions are to spec as measured with a Brown & Sharpe Micrometer. The finish is good. No burrs.

Here's the experience I had timing my Ross 3-gill brake to a Franklin Armory 450 Bushmaster 20" Hbar barrel"

Unshimmed, snugged but not torqued:

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With .020 Shim, snugged but not torqued = needs more:

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With .020+.010 Shims (.030), snugged but not torqued = real close but went past TDC when torqued:

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With .020+.010+.005 Shims (.035), snugged but not torqued = a bridge too far:

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With .020+.007+.005 Shims (.032), torqued = Perfect:

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In conclusion, the Badger Ridge Industries shim set will accommodate approximately 0 to 270 deg past TDC, but will not help with 270 to 359 degrees past TDC. You'd need 2 sets unless we can convince Tom to add 1) .015 shim to the pack. There's a second issue and that is protrusion. At .868 OD, the shims stuck out .040 beyond my brake's diameter and .065 past my barrel's diameter. The only concern with that protrusion is when pulling the rifle out of a padded case, it may hang up on the padding. It wasn't enough that I would worry about it snagging on brush as I passed through cover though.

Hoot

Re: Muzzle Shims Report

PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:34 pm
by Bmt85
Great report!
I ordered 3 a couple days ago, should be here Monday. Kind of sucks they protrude that much, but could be worse. At least we now have something to time our muzzle devices.

Re: Muzzle Shims Report

PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:25 am
by plant_one
sure would be awesome if he could tone down the OD to match rosses brakes - i bet he'd sell a gaggle of them then! :)

Re: Muzzle Shims Report

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:12 am
by Top_prop
Bmt85 wrote:Great report!
I ordered 3 a couple days ago, should be here Monday. Kind of sucks they protrude that much, but could be worse. At least we now have something to time our muzzle devices.



I agree. Its better than nothing. My brake, from SD Tactical has a larger OD so they are rebated for the most part. Though the BadgerRidgeInd.com round shims do protrude beyond the 3/4" flats used to snug the brake down. At least its timed, straight, and solid.



Like Hoot, I had to vary the thicknesses to get it right... but it worked out with one pack. My SD brake doesn't have a top nor bottom... they are both the same, so it could never be more than 90 degrees out of timing. If the brake has a bottom to it, you may need a second pack.

Mine looks like this one below:

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Re: Muzzle Shims Report

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:40 pm
by Hoot
Forgive my ignorance, but is that one of those brakes that doubles as a QD mount for a suppressor as well? Trying to understand the reason for the rings.
If the protrusion bugged me enough, I'd eight chuck the barre in my hobby lathe and turn them down for a minute's worth of effort, not including truing. Otherwise, figure out a mandrel to hold them with and chuck it in the drill press and have at them with a file. Might not leave enough meat on the bone though, especially with the thinner ones.

Hoot

Re: Muzzle Shims Report

PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:16 am
by plant_one
Hoot wrote:Forgive my ignorance, but is that one of those brakes that doubles as a QD mount for a suppressor as well? Trying to understand the reason for the rings.

Hoot



yes it is. its SDTA's adapter for their QD tailcap for their solvent trap's that can be form 1'ed into suppressors.

i would have to speculate that the reason for the rings would be indexing the brake for use when not running suppressed. from what i read, they're supposed to be a fairly decent brake when used as a standalone.

i considered going their QD route, but i haven't gotten annoyed enough yet at threading mine on and off all the time yet to make the jump to QD mounts :mrgreen:

Re: Muzzle Shims Report

PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:09 pm
by gmstack
what amount of torque do you apply to brake after shimming ???/

Re: Muzzle Shims Report

PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:44 pm
by Hoot
gmstack wrote:what amount of torque do you apply to brake after shimming ???/


When I've used shims as opposed to the teflon tape approach, I set them tight enough that they won't break free. With just a crush washer or shim, once they break free, they keep on going. With the tape, the friction is expressed over the entire length of the threads. You can rotate the brake in and out, to act as a barrel tuner within reason. With smaller diameter barrels, the "tuner effect" can be very beneficial. Varmint Al has a good web page with animated models of how barrel tuning works. He has a lot of good why behind the wherefore pages. A definite plus to have in your "Shooting Related" folder in you browser's bookmarks.

We're all aware of POI shift from putting a muzzle device on, but after dialing out the POI shift, if your accuracy goes down, you've probably landed on a length that yields a poor barrel tune. Conversely, if your accuracy increases after putting a muzzle device on, chances are good that it provided the additional length needed to get your barrel closer to "in tune". Just sayin'...

Hoot

Re: Muzzle Shims Report

PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:04 pm
by gmstack
The Teflon tape sounds like a good idea.

Re: Muzzle Shims Report

PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 4:29 pm
by Hoot
Links broken. Will fix them in the near future.

Hoot