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Case Life?

Postby Thom28 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:37 am

Maybe this has been discussed before but I could not find anything using the "Search" function.

I am currently reloading the 450 using the Hornady 250gr FTX over 38 grains of little gun and Remington 7 1/2 primers.
Does anyone have any idea how many times I should be able to reload these Hornady cases?

Any information would be appreciated.

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Re: Case Life?

Postby plant_one » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:02 pm

thats a fairly stout charge of lil-gun - just over published max.

depending on your chamber, how much crimp and what OAL you're using, you're probably pushing things a bit on the hard side.


i cant tell you how many loads to expect, but watch for primer pockets to start to get loose, that'll likely be your gauge when its time to send them to the recycling bin.


a primer pocket swage gauge may be helpful so you dont get blown primers during cycling and jam up your firearm, but if you start to feel them getting really easy to seat, i would mark those brass to be on the 'watch list' for upcoming problems.

https://ballistictools.com/store/swage- ... mer-pocket (also available in large primer for other uses too)

i have that tool and i use it for setting up my swager, but its also useful in checking if your pockets have gotten stretched beyond safe limits too with the 'no go' side.

i always crush the case mouth's on old 'retired' brass before i toss them so i know they'll never be used again. just grab a pair of pliers and give them a squeeze and then you'll never accidently reload them (or worry that someone may try when you throw them out). i do this for any brass i cull, no matter the reason.

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Re: Case Life?

Postby Hoot » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:41 pm

Believe it or not, I've never ran into stretched primer pockets yet in this caliber. I suspect holding them to around 38.5k psi isn't much strain on a case who's parent is rated for 56k psi. Now in the case of the 30 Remington AR which uses a necked down 450b case and which I also load for, it has the heavy duty bolt and barrel extension. You can load them up to 55k psi. They do stretch primer pockets if you load them all the way up to their max rating. Getting back to 450b cases. I've gone as far a 5 reloads without annealing. Your "Waterloo" will be case shortening, or at least that was mine. I do not use them once they get below 1.680. The taper crimp works against the case mouth. As it gets shorter, the same die setting will produce less and less crimp tension. That's why you never trim these babies. I sort my used brass by:

A) Case Head Expansion. I have large plastic jars labeled <.5000 (like new), .5000-.5005, .5005-.5010, .5010-.5015 and >.5015. Depending upon the generosity of your chamber cut, you may or may not get .5015-5020 to reliably chamber. Nothing worse than prying a round stuck almost all the way in, out on the firing line. My original loosey goosey Bushmaster chamber would digest .5020 all day long, but the three subsequent barrels I've owned, had spec spot on chamber dimensions and they would not take the .5015-.5020 case heads reliably. One will take up to .5018 if it is clean, but again, why risk it. So, I draw the line at .5015 max.

B) Length. I used to sort them into clear Plano Deep Stowaway boxes with adjustable partitions in .005 length increments. One box for each number of times they'd been fired, then by length. Like 1.680, 1.685, 1.690, 1.695 and >1.695 (like new), but the length was almost always predictable by how many times they had been shot. That being the more times they had been shot, the shorter they measured out at. So, now I sort them just by case head growth. When reloading time comes, I match ones from the particular jar I choose by length in groups of 5, lined up in the reloading tray. I try to keep ones for the same charge weight around +/- .005, IE 1.690-1.695 or 1.680-1.685, that way at least the taper crimp will be consistent within the charge weight group. One less variable to add to the experiment. I've never shot identical loads, except for different case length to see what actual impact it actually had upon velocity SD. Might make for an excuse to go to the range and do some shooting some time. Of course, if you side crimp them, the length wouldn't matter since you're crimping below the mouth. I save my cases that have grown too short for side crimped experiments.

Something to consider: My experience has been that light loads cause more case shrinkage than stout loads. I suspect it is about how hard they grip the chamber wall when fired. The other factor is if you have a loosey goosey chamber. The wider they stretch before being limited by the chamber wall, the shorter they will become. The good news is you get some of that length back after resizing. Try taking a handful and measuring their lengths before and after resizing.

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Re: Case Life?

Postby Thom28 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:08 am

Hoot and plant_one,
Thanks for the information. I checked the 9th edition of my Hornady manual and see the max load for the 450bm is 37.9. I have checked my cases after firing and there is no signs of primer expansion or flattening.
I haven't noticed any difference in recoil between my reloads and factory ammo.
I will just continue to monitor the cases and if dimensions or primer pocket expansion show up, I will discard them.

Again, thanks for the info.

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Re: Case Life?

Postby pitted bore » Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:20 pm

Fired exclusively in bolt rifles, some of my cases have been reloaded 20 times. Pressures usually run higher than SAAMI, so I get some stretching and have to trim every 6-7 loadings.

With FL sizing on each load, and with some side crimping, the "neck" can experience some work hardening, so I anneal the cases after a dozen (more or less) loads.

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Re: Case Life?

Postby Hoot » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:00 am

pitted bore wrote:Fired exclusively in bolt rifles, some of my cases have been reloaded 20 times. Pressures usually run higher than SAAMI, so I get some stretching and have to trim every 6-7 loadings.

With FL sizing on each load, and with some side crimping, the "neck" can experience some work hardening, so I anneal the cases after a dozen (more or less) loads.

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Finally, a compelling reason to get a bolt gun in this caliber! ;)

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Re: Case Life?

Postby plant_one » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:34 pm

Hoot wrote:
pitted bore wrote:Fired exclusively in bolt rifles, some of my cases have been reloaded 20 times. Pressures usually run higher than SAAMI, so I get some stretching and have to trim every 6-7 loadings.

With FL sizing on each load, and with some side crimping, the "neck" can experience some work hardening, so I anneal the cases after a dozen (more or less) loads.

--Bob


Finally, a compelling reason to get a bolt gun in this caliber! ;)

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why, so you can actually trim your cases once in a while? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: Case Life?

Postby Hoot » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:20 pm

plant_one wrote:
Hoot wrote:
pitted bore wrote:Fired exclusively in bolt rifles, some of my cases have been reloaded 20 times. Pressures usually run higher than SAAMI, so I get some stretching and have to trim every 6-7 loadings.

With FL sizing on each load, and with some side crimping, the "neck" can experience some work hardening, so I anneal the cases after a dozen (more or less) loads.

--Bob


Finally, a compelling reason to get a bolt gun in this caliber! ;)

Hoot



why, so you can actually trim your cases once in a while? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


Gotta be easier than my toenails. If the cases need resizing, they will at least be the same length until the next firing. I like my cases to be the same length. The toenails are more of a catch as catch can, matter. ;)

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Re: Case Life?

Postby plant_one » Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:12 pm

Hoot wrote:Gotta be easier than my toenails. If the cases need resizing, they will at least be the same length until the next firing. I like my cases to be the same length. The toenails are more of a catch as catch can, matter. ;)

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so you're saying when they start catching on your socks huh? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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