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Re: The Point of No Return

PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:19 pm
by Texas Sheepdawg
Jim in Houston wrote:Hornady posted a press release a few days ago that stated that less than 5% of their output was to fill government contracts. I think all the cartridge components are being diverted from the reloading market to make complete cartridges. I know the government put out a massive order for delivery over the next five (or 10?) years, but it was still a small percentage of industry capacity.

I'm not seeing the black helicopters, the guys on the grassy knoll, or Dick Cheney sneaking into the World Trade Center with a box of C4.

So what are you saying exactly? That DHS is not buying up and hoarding ammo? That the empty ammo shelves at Cabelas and other sporting goods stores is just an illusion? That the "out of stock No back order" comments on Midway USAs web site are just figments of our imagination? That all of the price gouging is just a bad dream and in reality, there's absolutely no reason to question this administrations' admitted lust to destroy the Second Amendment? Are you suggesting that the billions of rounds of ammo to DHS is a hoax?
What are you saying exactly?

Re: The Point of No Return

PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:39 pm
by Texas Sheepdawg

Re: The Point of No Return

PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:20 pm
by Jim in Houston
Texas Sheepdawg wrote:
Jim in Houston wrote:Hornady posted a press release a few days ago that stated that less than 5% of their output was to fill government contracts. I think all the cartridge components are being diverted from the reloading market to make complete cartridges. I know the government put out a massive order for delivery over the next five (or 10?) years, but it was still a small percentage of industry capacity.

I'm not seeing the black helicopters, the guys on the grassy knoll, or Dick Cheney sneaking into the World Trade Center with a box of C4.

So what are you saying exactly? That DHS is not buying up and hoarding ammo? That the empty ammo shelves at Cabelas and other sporting goods stores is just an illusion? That the "out of stock No back order" comments on Midway USAs web site are just figments of our imagination? That all of the price gouging is just a bad dream and in reality, there's absolutely no reason to question this administrations' admitted lust to destroy the Second Amendment? Are you suggesting that the billions of rounds of ammo to DHS is a hoax?
What are you saying exactly?


What I am saying is that demand for ammunition by the public has sucked up all the stock and is keeping inventory low or non existent. The increased demand is coming from regular shooters like us and from those millions (literally) of new gun owners who are now stocking up. I don't see any sinister plot by the government to suck up all the ammunition just to keep it out of the hands of the public. Hornady's statement that only 5% of their orders are going to the government supports this. Relate this to the gas lines of the 70's, when everyone rushed to fill up their tanks and keep them full resulting in a shortage of gasoline There was no government buy-up needed to keep supplies tight ; we did it ourselves. And yes, I know, the theory then was that the oil companies had tankers anchored offshore waiting for the price to go up. That never happened either.

Also, the government purchases are of .40 cal hollow points and possibly .223 (the links are unclear on whether or not this contract went through). So what accounts for the shortage of .38 cal, .45 cal, etc. Here is an explanation from the National Shooting Sports Foundation, not exactly an arm of the federal government (though I suppose they could be bribed):http://www.nssfblog.com/clearing-up-rumors-about-government-ammo-purchases/. This pertained to the situation in April 2012, when the government orders went in. Here is the NSSF's latest from today - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/16/ammunition-shortage/1919321/.

Re: The Point of No Return

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:30 pm
by Texas Sheepdawg
Say goodbye to your First Amendment.

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-l ... on_ref_map

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Re: The Point of No Return

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:54 pm
by B swift
Can you say "Frak THAT"? Just wondering.

Re: The Point of No Return

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:56 pm
by B swift
Lets talk about my first amendment LOL

Re: The Point of No Return

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:14 pm
by Texas Sheepdawg

Re: The Point of No Return

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:27 pm
by Texas Sheepdawg
Of particular interest, here is an article where the NWS requests Hollow point ammo and states:
"A solicitation which appears on the FedBizOpps website asks for 16,000 rounds of .40 S&W jacketed hollow point (JHP) bullets, noted for their strength, to be delivered to locations in Ellsworth, Maine, and New Bedford, Mass."

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a ... 0092492001

Do your own research now, using the FedBizzOpps and ammunition buy ups as part of your search.

Re: The Point of No Return

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:50 pm
by Texas Sheepdawg
Yeah.... There's nothing scary about DHS buying up ammo....
And these posters are just a practical joke... so don't worry.
Carry on.
Nothing to see here.

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STORY HERE:

http://www.infowars.com/dhs-supplier-pr ... um=twitter

Re: The Point of No Return

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:05 am
by Texas Sheepdawg
And now Mexico wants a piece of the action.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02 ... un-owners/