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Re: Guns and Ammo writer "Metcalf" fired for anti gun articl

Postby Texas Sheepdawg » Sun Nov 10, 2013 8:58 pm

Well.... I think the people have spoken.


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Re: Guns and Ammo writer "Metcalf" fired for anti gun articl

Postby Nosparks » Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:34 am

No offense to anyone here,

This is ridiculous, If you think that requiring training so that you can get your concealed weapons permit is a infringement, your not thinking with an open eye or mind. The first sentence in the second amendment is what going to keep the last sentence true! Regulation=training, if you require a regulation that make all legally sane law abiding citizens to get trained with their fire arms. Then you meet the first sentence of the 2 Amendment and thus allowing the last sentence to be true. Allow you to own a gun cause we know you know how to use it properly and safely. The military makes it soldiers train, for that very reason. If you cant handle your weapon you get kicked out of boot camp! And if we need weapons to protect ourselves from the government or a zombie apocalypse, wouldn't it be nice if everyone was competent with a firearm?!

Paranoia is running very deep in this Country. The few are scaring the masses, and causing this ridiculous panic. Our guns will not be taken from us, for one reason and one reason only. There are to many out there in the public hands, and if they try and round them up there will be blood shed. No law enforcement agent is willing to nock on anyone's door to ask for their guns. They aren't paid enough to take that risk!!

If think the average Joe isn't aware of what is going on then your really not talking to anyone but other paranoid people. There are more people on "our" side then the others. Do we need make our voices heard yes, but we need to compromise for safeties sake. Not everyone is as sane as you, and do you want the "wrong" people to own guns? That's where we need to meet in the middle and give a little, Or risk true infringement!!

Just a rant from a poor Gun loving Liberal!
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Re: Guns and Ammo writer "Metcalf" fired for anti gun articl

Postby Texas Sheepdawg » Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:55 pm

It's the incrementalism that is My main concern. And I've been on this planet long enough to have seen it in action. But if my opinion is not enough to convince the people, maybe seeing it IN WRITING will help. I absolutely believe in training. But I still maintain that muddling the Second Amendment is a serious threat to it's slow destruction.
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Re: Guns and Ammo writer "Metcalf" fired for anti gun articl

Postby wildcatter » Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:06 pm

Texas Sheepdawg wrote:It's the incrementalism that is My main concern. And I've been on this planet long enough to have seen it in action. But if my opinion is not enough to convince the people, maybe seeing it IN WRITING will help. I absolutely believe in training. But I still maintain that muddling the Second Amendment is a serious threat to it's slow destruction.
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Nosparks wrote:No offense to anyone here,

This is ridiculous, If you think that requiring training so that you can get your concealed weapons permit is a infringement, your not thinking with an open eye or mind. The first sentence in the second amendment is what going to keep the last sentence true! Regulation=training, if you require a regulation that make all legally sane law abiding citizens to get trained with their fire arms. Then you meet the first sentence of the 2 Amendment and thus allowing the last sentence to be true. Allow you to own a gun cause we know you know how to use it properly and safely. The military makes it soldiers train, for that very reason. If you cant handle your weapon you get kicked out of boot camp! And if we need weapons to protect ourselves from the government or a zombie apocalypse, wouldn't it be nice if everyone was competent with a firearm?!

Paranoia is running very deep in this Country. The few are scaring the masses, and causing this ridiculous panic. Our guns will not be taken from us, for one reason and one reason only. There are to many out there in the public hands, and if they try and round them up there will be blood shed. No law enforcement agent is willing to nock on anyone's door to ask for their guns. They aren't paid enough to take that risk!!

If think the average Joe isn't aware of what is going on then your really not talking to anyone but other paranoid people. There are more people on "our" side then the others. Do we need make our voices heard yes, but we need to compromise for safeties sake. Not everyone is as sane as you, and do you want the "wrong" people to own guns? That's where we need to meet in the middle and give a little, Or risk true infringement!!

Just a rant from a poor Gun loving Liberal!


With No-Malice to my friend the Gun Loving Liberal. But Sir, I don't think you get the point. So, I'll give you the short version.

ALLOW? Who's going to ALLOW what? Maybe we should get together and not Allow TSD to own a dog, to say nothing of his weapons. The "We" in this case is a little birdy I have in my pocket and he hates everything.

But Sir, with all due respect, me thinks you don't understand the difference between "Militia" and the word "Infringement".

The short answer is that the Constitution was written as an exercise of "Unalienable Rights" (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... ble-Rights).

Therefore, without beating a dead horse, there is a difference and Dear Sir, if I don't want the training, that's my business and not yours to force on me. Now if I had, had some training, maybe you wouldn't have to Hang me for doing something stupid with a firearm, because I am really Stupid. But alas, we can't hold people responsible for their actions now can we??

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Re: Guns and Ammo writer "Metcalf" fired for anti gun articl

Postby Nosparks » Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:59 am

I say ALLOW, because we are allowed to do certain things only after we are trained. You have to be trained and licensed before you can operate a car, practice medicine, pratice law, or even buy a hunting license (if your not born before a certain year).
Believe me I am firmly on the side of you can't take my guns. But I see no reason for not requiring some form of training. Most people, atleast outdoorsman have had formal training (hunters ed). And in atleast Florida that's all the training you need to apply for your concealed weapons permit. In fact I bet most of the folks on this forum have been through that type of course even more advanced courses.
Because of words written over 200 years ago in a time that could even preceive the world today, We have this argument. Do I love and believe in the constitution? Yes whole heartedly! Is it perfect no, they knew that 200 years ago and ALLOWED it to be modified (amended) by its people that it governs. And if it came down to it, wouldn't you perfer all those stupid people who have guns be trained. So that we could raise a WELL REGULATED MILITIA to protect or INALIENABLE RIGHTS?

I'm not happy with the current actions or lack of in many of our government offices. And feel that there is a lot of fear mongering going on to protect certain people's income, more so than protecting the rights of the public.

Our opinions are ours and only in this country can someone voice them with out fear of retribution. I admire and respect all of the members of this forum, for their knowledge of fire arms and love for this country.
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Re: Guns and Ammo writer "Metcalf" fired for anti gun articl

Postby Ghost Dog » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:44 pm

When's the training for free speech start?
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Re: Guns and Ammo writer "Metcalf" fired for anti gun articl

Postby Nosparks » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:21 pm

Kindergarten. ..LOL
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Postby Ghost Dog » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:26 pm

LOL
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Re: Guns and Ammo writer "Metcalf" fired for anti gun articl

Postby BillytheKid » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:30 pm

I would respectfully disagree. Nowhere in our beloved Constitution does it say We The People must be trained. The "," in the original text makes all the difference. If it were written today, it would read something like:

Because it is recognized by We The People that it is necessary for the government to keep a well trained military to protect it's interests and understanding how the power of tyranny has been and will be abused, the right of We The People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, specifically so that tyranny in any form will not be allowed to overcome We The People.
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Re: Guns and Ammo writer "Metcalf" fired for anti gun articl

Postby Texas Sheepdawg » Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:19 am

"Freedom of Speech" is a very interesting topic. And it raises several questions. Where and when do we really have freedom of speech? When it comes down to it, when does our freedom of speech begin and when does it end? Does freedom of speech apply across the board where ANYONE can say WHATEVER they want to, whenever they want to, wherever they want to, to anyone that they want to? Or does freedom of speech apply only to The People when they are lawfully addressing grievances against THEIR government? Are the people within their rights to yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater when there is no fire? Can people rightfully yell "He has a Bomb" in a crowded mall on Christmas Eve when there is no threat of a bomb in existence? Would these instances be considered an abuse of the right to free speech? Should there be penalties for such abuse? Is slander and libel protected under the guise of free speech?
Here's another thought. Let's look at this issue from another point of view. Should HOOT and myself allow "randoms" to post threads to pornography here on our forum because to deny these threads is a violation of free speech? Should we also permit Liberal Left wing propaganda threads by anti-gun fanatics to be posted here on our forum?
How quickly would you guys snatch my moderator status away from me if I posted a thread calling for a ban on any AR15 that is possessed by a law abiding civilian? Would you want me to have a moderator platform here if I was anti-gun? Would taking away my moderator status and member status here be a "violation" of my right to free speech? I don't think so. Because if I ever held those opinions, (I NEVER WILL!), I would not be serving the membership in a way that you guys deserve. I would not deserve you guys as my audience. I would not be using my status as moderator and member of a gun forum in an appropriate and honest way. I would be considered an enemy against the cause who had infiltrated a group who was pro gun, to attempt to damage, dilute, confuse and divide the membership. Basically, I would be the fox in the chicken house. And you guys would stamp out my voice faster than a cheetah on Red Bull.
And rightfully so.
Let me just say this. I am a law abiding gun owner and fanatic. I LOVE FIREARMS. And I know that my membership here will always be conditional. You guys deserve the best that I can offer. In effect, MudBug is the Editor in Chief and HOOT and myself are the editors, writers and fellow smelly gun nuts. You have VERY high expectations of us. Should one of us betray "The Cause", you guys can, by vote, have us removed.
Personally, I love you guys and I want to provide you guys the best of content that I can give you. I do not ever want to confuse you or betray your trust. As Moderator, I have the desire to keep this forum clear of propaganda from the tools and trolls that create divisions in the membership. I am free to speak my mind but I may be held accountable for anything that hurts "The Cause".
The same holds true for Guns and Ammo Magazine staff.
Metcalf wrote an article that went against the cause. He betrayed the trust of his readers one too many times and he was rightfully held accountable. His article damaged the credibility of the magazine. Potentially causing further negative effects to the bottom line, (profits). He was free to say what he wanted to. But he was also held accountable because his message did not meet the high expectations of his readers.
It was not the government that punished him for his words, it was the readers that he betrayed. Now. Had he written an article critical of the ATT UN treaty, and because of that, Obama called Guns and Ammo and threatened to shut down the magazine if they didn't shut up Metcalf and fire him..... THEN you would have just cause to accuse the government of violation of freedom of the press and freedom of speech.
Or look at it this way.
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