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It is ideal to shoot 451's. You've got to remember that there are +- std's for the bullets and barrel. The .454" std is an old western std and is usable by us if you resize them to 452, but even then, when you do resize them, you'll still have a variance and some will be 451- to 452+. The other numbers you mentioned, 454 casuall and 460S&W are the .samii spec bullets for .4515". .451 Bullets and .452 bullets are all the right stuff, use and abuse'em, you'll be fine and doing the right stuff..BigBore Newb wrote:Well, if its not "ideal" to shoot .451 bullets why the heck was .452 chosen considering that most 45 cal handgun bullets are .451?? Especially the good ones like Barnes. The only .452 I'm seeing is Hornady XTPs. Now that I mention it, why are there .451-.454 for 45 Colt, 454 Casull, and the 460 S&W...that just doesn't make any sense. How is one supposed to know what diameter to use if they have a revolver??
wildcatter wrote:Al in Mi wrote:Speaking of the 230gr FMJ's, who makes the thickest and thinnest jacketed ones?
Just thinking, but at the speeds one can get in the 450B they might make a dandy hunting round.
Well Al, for hunting, expansion isn't even much of a consideration at all really. Think of the 45cal slug as an expanded 30cal, except the expanded 30 cal
l really starts to slow down fast in flesh as it is expanding and creating all that increased drag and expanded bullets go in any direction after the initial hit (including even right back out the way they went in, yep I have a three inch scar on my cheek, a really great dueling type scar, but caused by a bullet that came right back at me, fired from a 45 Pro), and not necessarily through the vitals. Whereas the 45fmj's just keep on traveling through the tissue and the overall effect is far more trauma, with far more total tissue damage, over the length of a far deeper wound channel and in a straight line going through the tissue. I've not seen nor heard of any deflection in the body. Hence, why I love the flat point FMJ's, in my experience the flat points disrupt much more tissue than an expanded bullet does, provided the flat point does not expand and the bullet holds together. So, I read with great anticipation to the developments the guys are having here with hard cast, gas checked bullets, cheap and effective and the way some of these guys are going, we're going to get all the accuracy and reliability one could ever need.
FYI.. to the cast guys. I talked to a big cast bullet outfit a couples of years ago, they also plate them, about a 44 cal bullet (.429"), plated with enough material to than be swagged back to .4515" (now sporting a .023" jacket, which is tremendous, considering the the std jacket is 3-7 thou), making a flat point as tough as a solid, but in mass as cheap as lead bullets and at my pricing, passed along to our guys, really cheap. The idea was to effect everything I personally think works in the Hunting fields, not necessarily tremendous accuracy but really good accuracy, and we could drive them pretty fast too (I'm after 400+yd clean kills and I personally know this and even more yardage is realistic). If you guys come up with a bullet you like and works well, we can get these made on the cheap, if we buy by the ton. Bottom line here is you'd have to have a design you really like, because the start-up cost are fairly steep, but the production stuff is cheap, real cheap. Any thoughts?
wildcatter wrote:Yup Big AL, I love the 230fmj- Truncated Cone's of either Hornady or Nosler.
Do toughs Gold Dots really have that thick of a jacket (.023")? Can someone tear one down and measure it for me? I am probably wrong, but if they are an expanding bullet it should have a fairly thin jacket, me thinks??
When I get back we'll bust some caps..
Al in Mi wrote:.007 might be all that's needed on a hardcast, I wouldn't expect it to expand, but she sure would penetrate.
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